THE INVESTIGATION WEEK
ONE Part 7:
"Cocksucker" Who is Nate Thayer?
"Tammy just appointed me and Nate Taylor as
'official spokesmen and advisors.'"
It was still Sunday evening that second weekend after
Dave's disappearance, with investigator Peter
Slade's mission up in the air as to whether it would go forward
the next day (See
Page 8), we were hunting the "suspect" Salao Mao on
Sonny's behest and information (See
Page 6 ), and Canadian Vice Consul Allison Catmur from the Embassy in Bangkok had just completed her "investigation" in Siam Reap
and meetings with Cambodian police authorities and recommended to
Tammy that she appoint a spokesperson. (See
Page 7). Tammy Madon phoned me
that evening saying that she wanted
Nate Thayer and I to act as her family
spokespeople and advisors. I had seen Thayer's
name in the e-mail threads but I had no idea as to exactly who he was.
From: Tammy Madon
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:10 PM
To: Allison.Catmur@international.gc.ca
Cc: Jean-Francois.Parizeau@international.gc.ca ;
sos@international.gc.ca ; 'Nate Thayer' ; 'Peter Vronsky'
Subject: RE: Operations Centre in Ottawa - Contact info
Good evening Allison & Jean-Francois,
I am appointing Nate Thayer and Peter Vronsky as spokes people
and advisors on this case.
Please communicate directly with them if need be. Their
background in these types of cases are extensive. They are well
known in certain areas of government and have specific contacts
in the US, Canadian and Cambodian areas. I am authorizing both
of them to offer suggestions on my behalf as well as receive
information pertaining to Dave Walker.
Thank you
Tammy Madon
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"Karma is a bitch"
After Googling
Nate Thayer I was suitably impressed.
Very cool! This was the American freelance
journalist who after years of searching found the shadowy genocidal Khmer Rouge
former dictator of Cambodia, Pol Pot ("Brother No. 1"). Pol Pot
had murdered between 1.8 to 3 million Cambodians
1975-1979 before he was overthrown and crawled
back into the jungle where he remained a malevolent ghost for twenty
years until Thayer (with cameraman
David McKaige)
was the first American journalist to interview him after wading twice into the midst of a heavily armed Khmer Rouge
cadre
which had put Pol Pot on show trial for a recent assassination
attributed to him.
It can't get any better than that! I thought. Who better than a Nate
Thayer to be investigating Dave's disappearance?
While I was familiar with the story of how an American journalist found Pol Pot, I didn't know his name.
It never came up. But I heard the story from Dave and it went a slightly
different way than the version Thayer tells.
Dave and I often 'gossiped' about what we saw in our
territories, telling tales of treachery and woe, usually other people's. Without
ever naming Thayer, Dave had told me a story he
dubbed
"Karma is a bitch" about an ambitious American journalist who was led to Pol
Pot by trusting local Cambodian journalists and fixers, who were then ripped off by the American
when he sold their story as his own scoop to US television
for $350,000 ($580,000 in 2015) without
giving them credit or a share. Dave chuckled
how the ABC News Network television show 20/20 hosted by the
legendary Ted Koppel then in turn ripped off the journalist by
repackaging his scoop as their own, distributing his
"exclusive" material to other media
outlets around the
world on the internet "as a courtesy." (He would laugh in that British
drill sergeant's lilt "as a courtesy" har har har...)
Dave had a whole series of stories like that he dreamed of producing as
a
Broadway play and graphic novel, Karma is
a bitch: tales of
justice and degradation.
Frankly, I took Dave's story with a grain of salt.
Dave himself was earning his living in South East Asia mostly as a fixer
between his own struggles to write, publish and produce his personal work. Being a fixer is thankless, frustrating work and I thought
Dave's
story might be coming from
that place. I myself had done stints as a fixer and managed to
hustle
my way to cameraman, field director and line producer
in investigative broadcast television, eventually working for
CBC, CTV and CNN
overseas. I knew that everywhere we went, there were always legions
of local journalists and fixers on whom we depended and who we rarely credited or gave
share to in scoops
that superstar television on-camera journalists routinely took the credit for
and the big bucks. If
Nate Thayer ripped-off locals for his Pol Pot scoop, he did not do
anything that 'big name' network TV journalists weren't routinely doing.
Let's give
Nate Thayer fair credit for finding and landing an
interview with one of the great monsters of the 20th Century: Pol
Pot. It was an extraordinary achievement, no matter what wagging
tongues say the back story was.
The
Corporate Gang Rape of Nate
Thayer
But for his sins mother karma did punish Nate Thayer and punished him
severely. Unlike all the other network television journalists who
systematically ripped off local sources and fixers and got away with it,
Thayer was not inside the "corporate fold." He was a freelancing punk
outsider and worse, a print journalist, which in television was akin to
being a child molester on a prison block. ABC TV gang raped Nate
Thayer in their corporate shower room, distributing his "exclusive"
footage free on the internet around the world to other media outlets with an ABC News
logo pasted over it "Courtesy of ABC News". [
American
Journalism Review: A Journalistic Coup Turns Sour
][
Your scoop? Nah it's ours if we want it ] It
turned out that Thayer had been too long in the jungle and had never
heard of the internet or "frame grabs" from his exclusive
video footage that
ABC News insisted his contract provided for when he took the $350,000.
When Thayer says that ABC News then told him
"if you don't like it, sue us", I believe him. He then
naively (Thayer is "child like" I agree) took them at their
word and actually sued the mega corporation with its army of Wall Street shark
attorneys for $30 million in punitive damages and
loss of income. (Not only was ABC News a division of a multi-billion dollar corporate
conglomerate, but as a journalistic entity it also claimed sacred American
constitutional immunities in the name of the freedom of the press and
the "public's right to know"; go
sue that!) Thayer claims he "won" the case but that his "victory" left him
bankrupt and broken. [See:
Nate Thayer: How Ted Koppel and ABC TV Tried to Steal my Life's
Work
I believe completely that part of Thayer's story because Ted Koppel and ABC TV's 20/20 ripped
me
off in November 1991 on an exclusive I had developed in the Soviet Union
(with an army of Russian fixers and journalists that I did not credit
(but at least paid, and paid very well))
on the KGB files and Russian witnesses to
JFK's accused assassin
Lee Harvey Oswald's time spent in Russia in
1959-1962. Back then ABC-News said exactly the same thing to me that
they said to Thayer:
"If you don't like it, sue us." But
unlike Thayer, I laid down like a dog, and unlike Thayer, I wasn't even
sly
enough a bitch to get paid for getting fucked anywhere near as much as Thayer was paid
to get fucked.
When ABC-TV tried to mollify Thayer by tossing him a share in
a very prestigious
Peabody Award
(the "Pulitzer Prize" or "Oscar" in broadcast and electronic
journalism) that ABC News won for the Pol Pot broadcast,
Thayer told them to fuck off and was reportedly frog-marched out of the
black-tie Peabody Award dinner by security. He was the first
Peabody Award winner in its 57 year history to turn down the prize.
The guy was a Marlon Brando turning down an Oscar! Thayer looked
like he had integrity. I liked what I saw so far.
"Something is not right with Thayer"
Nate
Thayer, however, never recovered from the gang-banging zombie-biting he
got at the hands of the syphilitic corporate lowlifes at ABC News.
Infected, Thayer is suffering with their virus today, sick in his
brain and dead in his heart. People later told me
that Thayer after "winning" his lawsuit ended up a bankrupt bitter broken man
living curled up in a fetal position in a small garage apartment in Washington D.C.
where
reports had him wandering the
streets in pyjama pants deep in muttered
conversation with his dog in between alternating cycles of
appearing propped up at Georgetown lunches and events seemingly lucid, articulate, bow-tied and charming.
When I brought up the name of
Nate Thayer among some of my South East Asia colleagues they raised
their eyebrows. "Something is not right with Thayer these days"
some said, making loopy gestures at their head. One colleague quoted Michael Herr
in describing dealing with Thayer as "like being in the middle of some black looneytune where the
Duck has all the lines."
I did not know what to
make of all these stories. Now I do, because karma is a bitch.
For all my own sins, and perhaps for Dave's, karma sent us Nate Thayer.
Sympathy for the Devil
Except for righteously stirring shit occasionally as
he did recently in defence of bloggers and exploited interns and
berating the North Koreans, Thayer hadn't done anything exceptional
over the last 18 years. [
Wikipedia:
Nate Thayer ] It's a cliché
joke, "That's great he found Pol Pot, but what has he done lately?" Ha ha. But seriously, who can be fairly expected to top something like that? After
all what had Henry Stanley done after having found Dr. Livingston lost
in the African jungle? Lindbergh after flying the
Atlantic solo? Or Neil Armstrong since walking on the moon?
You
can never top finding Pol Pot; you can only circle back
to it.
Single-handedly solving Dave's disappearance could
have been a great
comeback for a guy like Nate Thayer. To now find Dave held prisoner in depths of Cambodia
or solve his murder when nobody else could, was just what the doctor ordered. It would
give Thayer not only a renewed cycle on his claim to
Cambodia as his investigative turf, but give him now a second chance to revive his Pol Pot story;
to tell his story again but better. Thayer had been unsuccessfully crowd-funding to do just that, a book he called
Sympathy
for the Devil. (Although when
indie authors today are publishing their own books in print-on-demand (POD)
and e-book
platforms for an average of $600 to at the very most $2,500 to produce a 300 page book set
up
to sell, his call
for $67,500 in donations to publish his book is a little snake-oily. [ See:
http://www.nate-thayer.com/ ].)
But who cares what
motivated Thayer to help search for Dave, or even
if he profited from it,
as long as he brought
Dave home alive. In fact I thought at the time that Thayer's self-interest
was a good thing! It was a much more a tangible
and dependable motivator than some ephemeral altruistic impulse from friendship for
Dave that could easily wane with frustration, cost and self-doubt.
If only Nate Thayer was able to deliver on the promise to find Dave...
(I would have worked with the devil himself, if it saved Dave.)
True, Thayer had been recently exposed plagiarizing
like a schoolboy copying
other journalists' work in his blogs. [See:
Nate Thayer is a Plagiarist;
How Nate Thayer Plagiarizes;
New York Magazine: Did Nate Thayer Plagiarize? Columbia
Journalism Review: Nate Thayer Accused of Plagiarism.
The Columbia Journalism Review (CJR) website that follows misconduct in
journalism 'pleaded-down' his offense to
incompetent "sloppy" attribution (on the part of a journalist claiming
twenty-five years experience) but only after the
CJR pulled from their website a public discussion forum thread that
illuminated the finer nuances of Thayer's misconduct. [
Nate Thayer: Freelance Plagiarist? Sloppy, yes. Plagiarist ... doesn't
look like it ]
While a conviction of conspiracy to commit murder in
a field investigative security operative might be a welcomed skill set,
a record of plagiarism reflects a person's lack of credibility or
incompetence; or worse, both. Not reassuring qualities in an investigator
on whom Dave Walker's fate might depend.
Even so, having now been forewarned of some of
Thayer's past, I will relate here my own personal first hand
observations of Nate Thayer and the kind of person he is. For me
when I meet a new person they are much less of what they did
in the past than what they will do now, unless they prove me wrong. Both
Dave and I thought that way, that people intrinsically are good and do
good things and that the best bet in life is usually to trust until proven wrong,
rather than never trusting enough to find out its inner essence. That's
why we were friends for nearly twenty-five years.
"I know Cambodia. Dave Walker is dead."
Now that Thayer and I had been appointed
together by
Tammy as her "spokespersons and advisors" I thought one of us would be
soon calling the other to introduce themselves. When
Thayer did not call me, I called him that Sunday night.
Thayer was on a good day. His booming deep
voice with its East Coast tinge was polite, pleasant and friendly but
exuding an undertone of aggressive American 'can do' confidence.
He was likable but clownishly arrogant at the same time; his opening
hand was his finding Pol Pot back in 1997. He was still
all puffed up on this as his prima facie credential for finding
Dave Walker, and had nothing else to offer after that. It was
immediately a "do you know who I am" kind of part monologue part sermon
from the Mount. I eventually interrupted him to give him a 'hale-fellow'
on that, chirping in, "yeah, I know the Pol Pot story, we are lucky to
have you onboard in the search for Dave." [Or something friendly like
that... acknowledging his Pol Pot greatness and getting on with the task
at hand of finding Dave.]
With a 'Caesar
has spoken' majesty and the smarmy sincerity of a war department
messenger, Thayer suddenly burst out, "Dave Walker is dead."
"How do you know that?" I asked. That
was the first time I heard anybody say something like that. "Do you have some
new information?"
"I know Cambodia," Thayer pronounced. "Dave Walker is
dead."
I challenged Thayer on that, insisting "We
don't know anything of the sort. There is no evidence
at this moment that Dave is dead, and until I have such evidence, my
presumption is not only that Dave is still alive, but that if he is
being held captive, Dave being who he is and the training he had, has a
better than average chance of surviving
captivity anywhere if we can find him in time. We need to think Dave alive and find him
with urgent fury as fast as possible."
Thayer responded, "If I was in Cambodia, I could find
out exactly what happened to Dave in a week." (Gee,
that long?)
What surprised me was realizing that Thayer was not
in Cambodia, but that he was in my own time zone about a 90 minute
flight south of me, in Washington, D.C., as blind and
remote from Cambodia as I was. In the masses of e-mails, I
had overlooked reading down to the bottom of the one that introduced
Thayer as somebody 'currently' based in Washington. My bad. I am not
even sure when Thayer was actually last in Cambodia.
Who is working in the field? I wondered.
But ok, he did not have to be there, Thayer "knew" Cambodia and
presumably had connections there even if he
was now based in Washington. I was only on the first week of
building my network of connections on the ground over there. To tell my own
embarrassing truth, when Thayer in his salesman pitch told me he
had a network of operatives in Cambodia and a sophisticated investigative machine,
I had at first no reason not to believe him. Why would I think that
Thayer was crazy and had nothing in Cambodia? His entire investigation
would turn out to be a Potemkin Village, reduced in its final weeks to
investigating other investigators and sniffing around old ground in
Keswick here in Canada. But at this point I wanted to trust Thayer
so much that I actually
began to calculate as I spoke to him how much it would cost for us to fly Thayer over to
Cambodia and if he would go. I even thought, maybe if we don't hire
the contractor Peter Slade full
time tomorrow that the pledged money Lovisa Inserra raised (See
Page 8) could be used
to fly Thayer over. That's how much I
wanted to believe in Thayer for the sake of Dave.
When I brought up my concerns about Sonny Chhoun as Dave's business partner, Thayer responded, "I know
Sonny. I spoke with him. I don't think he has anything to do
with it," he said, again exuding that 'seen it all -
know it all' confidence that brooked no questioning.
The oddest thing that Thayer said, was that he
thought the house I identified in Keswick, Ontario, which Dave owned and
which the "suspect" named by Sonny Choun in
Cambodia had been living in at one time,
had nothing to do with Dave's disappearance. It had been
just a matter of hours that the house and its connection to Salao Mao
had been identified, so I was a little perplexed as to how Thayer could
be so quick to be so sure that it had nothing to do with
Dave's disappearance.
Thayer gave the impression that he had uncovered something better, more direct sources of
information on what exactly had happened to Dave, and
he told me I needn't
bother looking further in the Keswick end. As always when anybody tells
me not to look further into something, I put it first on my list to
investigate. (In fact that evening I got
requests from Richard Ehrlich that I pull a "lure" I
posted in the Find Dave Walker Facebook to snag information on Salao Mao and that I not call Sonny
because "because some fresh activity has begun and others are asking for
us to all step back." (See Page 9)
I was still trusting Ehrlich and those statements from him combined with
what Thayer was telling me, convinced me that something was indeed being
developed by an ongoing investigation in Cambodia that Thayer was privy
to.
Nate Thayer and I agreed (or maybe I thought we agreed)
to jointly work out a strategy as the family spokespersons and
advisors on how to manage Canada's Foreign Affairs Department into either
pressuring the Cambodians to take Dave's disappearance seriously and
conduct a transparent investigation or pressure Cambodia into accepting help
from Canadian investigators, presumably the RCMP. I suggested that
pressure be brought on the
Cambodians to yield their jurisdiction, as they had to the
French recently when some French citizens were murdered in Cambodia. (
See Cambodian Daily "French Judge to investigate"
.)
Thayer seemed to be very hostile to the Canadian
Embassy in Thailand, arguing that it was outrageous that it took them a
week from the date of Dave's disappearance to fly somebody out to Siem
Reap. I argued that considering that the Embassy was not really
officially informed that Dave had vanished until as late as Tuesday
morning, that flying somebody out by Friday was not actually all that
negligent, considering we still had no evidence that Dave,
as unlikely as it was, had not wandered off by himself on his own accord
to "happy hut", ie., met a woman and was shacked-up with her. The
reality of the problem was that as a middle-aged single male expat in SE
Asia, Dave Walker was not exactly a priority to any Embassy to fret over
his being absent a week, no matter how strange the circumstances.
I tried to convince Thayer to imagine the thinking of the Canada Foreign
Affairs bureaucrats. It would make it easier for us to deal with them, I
said, regardless of whether we agree with them, if we understand how
they think and try to work their mindset. Bureaucrats in my
experience, need to be led like children.
Tomorrow was Monday, and the Vice-Consul had just returned from Siem
Reap to her base at the Canadian embassy in Bangkok. It would probably
take a day before she could write and file a report on her visit in Siem Reap
and declassify it for us. As
the family spokespersons to the Foreign Affairs Department we were
anticipating to be given an "official" update
on what the Canadian government had achieved in Cambodia and what they
proposed to do next, if anything, by the next day or day after.
Once we had on record the Canadian official
position, I suggested to Thayer, we can jointly draft our response and advise
Tammy on her best next course of action depending upon what the Canadians had to
say.
Later that night (early morning) I sent Tammy the following
summary of my conversation with Thayer. There was no sense of
trouble with Thayer in it and I was enthusiastically
and optimistically looking forward to
working with him.
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:23 AM
To: Nate Thayer ; Tammy Madon
Cc: Peter Vronsky
Subject: DAY 1-A
Hi Tammy
Nate and I introduced ourselves to each other and talked a
little last night.
1. We both are in agreement that Canadian government
investigators need to be ‘boots on the ground’ in Cambodia and
that this cannot be left as “Canada will wait pending a
Cambodian investigation”. Canada needs to lobby Cambodia
proactively to waive its jurisdiction, or invite the Canadian
investigation in, or whatever the protocol is. We will try to
clarify exactly what the protocol is.
2. Nate and I also felt that as we were both involved in the
flushing out of tips and information since Dave’s disappearance,
and personally knowledgeable of Dave’s habits and character,
that this investigation is not serious until we are contacted by
the RCMP and are interviewed and our statements taken. We should
not demand this, but use it as a “radar” to detect the sincerity
of their investigative effort.
As I am in Canada, it will be easy for them to question me and
take a statement, but the “radar” aspect is especially
applicable to Nate as he is in the United States. I imagine it
will take one more step of bureaucratic procedure for the RCMP
to contact Nate in Washington.
That would signal to us that they are actually doing something
to collect information and evidence related to Dave. Otherwise
we are relying on a complex web of reliable facts mixed with
rumours as to what we think is being done, aggravated by a
tactical necessity for investigations not to share everything,
*including with family members (and their spokespeople)* while
an investigation is under way. They will tell us more, but not
everything.
3. Nate and I did not completely agree on the rapidity of the
response from the Canadian Embassy. If we accept Sonny’s time
line, that he began reporting this disappearance on the weekend,
then the response was unacceptable. (Although Sonny is no more
kin than I was when I attempted to report it.) If we go by the
timeline of you reporting the event towards 5:00 PM on Monday
Edmonton time, (7:00 AM Tues Cambodia) and Allison was boots on
the ground in Siem Reap by Friday, then I am less critical of
the response time. News reports out of Cambodia stated that the
Canadian embassy in Bangkok had asked Cambodian authorities on
Tues formally for information on Dave Walker to verify if there
is grounds for concern. (This is same day you are reporting it
on Mon.) That makes sense. Assuming that they received a report
back from Cambodian officials the next day on Weds (or from
Trade rep, or their contacts in Siem Reap, perhaps it did not
get it assessed or decided upon until late Weds or Thursday
morning, Allison’s arrival on site by Friday, while not
expeditious, is not dramatically negligent either. It actually
gives me hope they are indeed taking this seriously. But only if
they don’t leave it now in the hands of Cambodia to investigate.
4. Nate and I hope that we three will get a complete itinerary
briefing as to whom she met with and what she did to ascertain
what happened with Dave and what is being done next (other than
waiting for Cambodia or relying on them to investigate this. )
Nate believes the Ambassador in Bangkok has the discretionary
authority to ask Cambodia to bring Canadian investigators into
it, and that there are actually several RCMP officers stationed
in Bangkok, one or more of whom could be deployed into Cambodia
if they are seriously investigating this.
5. Nate mentioned that if Parliament gets involved in this
question, that it may be of help in getting Foreign Affairs on
moving expeditiously, if they are not. This is a good idea, but
will take time to mature. You should contact your MP in Ottawa
(if you have not already) and brief him on all this just in case
we will need to start building Parliamentary pressure. Let us
know who the MP is too.
Questions to be asked:
A. What is the status of the private investigator the Embassy
told you they were retaining. What is he investigating? Who is
he?
B. Has Dave’s room been sealed as a crime scene, have his things
taken into evidence?
C. Has this even been declared as a “crime” or are they still
contemplating what this is?
D. Why is Sonny still in possession of Dave’s phone at last
report?
E. Has a formal statement been taken from Sonny?
D. Has the area near the hotel been walked for signs of
struggle. Has anyone looked if there is a bottle on the route
partly filled with water that my have Dave’s fingerprint. If
Dave knew he was abducted he would have been on the ball enough
to drop the bottle there to indicate the spot. Current photos of
the place show garbage all along the road, there could be
hundreds of empty water bottles, but not many sealed with water
still in them. I know of several cases of overlooked evidence
lying at a scene for days and even weeks, being recovered and
useable.
But has any of this been done?
Hope we receive encouraging news this morning from Allison in
Bangkok and will know how to better proceed.
I am lecturing tomorrow from 11:00 AM to 3:00 PM in Toronto but
will try to keep an eye on my phone for messages, and will
interrupt the lecture if anything urgent comes up.
(Those lecture hours will vary through the week – tomorrow Mon
is the longest single block I am generally unavailable.
I am not quite sure how this will work. By e-mail. Conference
call. Etc. Let’s see what they say now.
Regards,
Peter Vronsky
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"whatever he suggests will be brilliant
please vronsky, listen very closely to whatever *nate thayer* says...
always first ask *nate thayer,*...i will *never* include any email from
*you* or *tammy* or *nate thayer,* without *first* getting *detailed
confirmation* from *nate thayer* about what i should or should not do"
That Sunday night I also e-mailed as an operational
courtesy our trusted dispatcher and
"assignment editor" Richard S. Ehrlich in
Bangkok to bring him into the loop on the appointment of Thayer and
myself as co-spokespersons. I was still dyslexically referring to Nate
Thayer in my e-mail as "Nate Taylor." It was news to Ehrlich that I had been
appointed as co-spokesperson and advisor. (Thayer had been telling
people that day that he had been appointed family spokesperson and advisor
"in charge of the investigation" without mentioning that Tammy wanted us
to co-share those functions.) (See
Page 8)
In my e-mail I assured Ehrlich that I would be
counting on his counsel and asked him to "don't say
anything yet about this until its announced."
From: Peter Vronsky
Subject: CONEofSILENCE
Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:15 PM
To: rituals in pagodas <glossograph@gmail.com>
Tammy just appointed me and Nate Taylor as "official spokesmen
and advisors." Which means I have to butt-out and wake up early,
while
the government pretends to brief us in confidence so we can
misinform everyone else.
Keep me in the loop with what you guys are doing but don't say
anything yet about this until its announced or somehow
officially
shown to me that I am in their "Privacy" Cone Of Silence.
I just acknowledged by e-mail the round robin from Tammy to:
Allison - Jean-Francois - SOS - Nate Taylor
I know you from Dave and you were the first from whom I heard he
was in trouble. I am counting on you to keep the players sorted
on the
field there. You are in Australia right now?
Plus - I was in places *like* South East Asia, so I know the
rules are nothing like in North America, but not in *which ways
from* where I
was. I might need advice on nuances when the time comes.
Nate Taylor I had to Google. Dave might have mentioned him, but
all these Anglo-Saxon names all sound the same to me so I don't
remember.
Regards
Peter Vronsky
From: Richard Ehrlich rituals in
pagodas
Subject: vronsky ~ *taylor* or *thayer* ?
greetings vronsky, do you mean *nate thayer*
(*thayer* not *taylor*)?
and if it is *thayer* have you emailed *nate
thayer* directly already
the email pasted below, with his correct
email address?
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
please c
From: Richard Ehrlich rituals in
pagodas
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:31 PM To: vronsky ~ ;
glossograph ~
onfirm either way.
bests, richard ~
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Richard S. Ehrlich chose to now
e-mail me the following "congratulation", directly addressing me with a cc: to Tammy Madon
and Thayer. It was a typical 'office politics' weasel move.
From: Richard Ehrlich rituals in pagodas
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:34 AM
To: vronsky ~ ; thayer nate ~ ; tammy ~ ; glossograph ~
Subject: tammy & vronsky & thayer ~ congratulations
greetings vronsky,
congratulations on you and *nate thayer* being appointed by *tammy*
to be her *official spokesmen and advisors*.
i know you, vronsky, only through email since dave's
disappearance, and have come to understand your work and
enthusiasm and abilities.
i have known *nate thayer* for many years, dating back to
cambodia in the 1990s, and have now come to know him much more
as a result of
dave's plight.
i have extremely high respect for *nate thayer* -- his opinions
and his experience -- and know that whatever he suggests will be
brilliant.
please vronsky, listen very closely to whatever *nate thayer*
says.
as one of *tammy's* two official *advisors*, you will want to
keep *all* the information that you become privy to, *totally
confidential*
within your circle of *tammy*, *nate thayer* and the canadian
officials.
as one of *tammy's* two official *spokesmen*, you will want to
always resist the urge to express whatever it is you know or
predict, or what you think should be told in some way to anyone
else.
any time you are even *considering* making public -- or emailing
in private -- any information, please always first ask *nate
thayer,* because he is very, very knowledgeable about handling
complex *confidential* information.
***
you indicated that you were not familiar with *nate thayer* and
have since googled him, which is excellent.
briefly, though you may know this by now:
*nate
thayer* is the american foreign correspondent who found *pol
pot* in the jungle and interviewed pol pot on tv video, just
before pol pot died.
*nate
thayer* previously spent many years inside cambodia, with the
khmer rouge guerrillas, reporting his stories for the hong kong-based
*far eastern economic review* before the magazine was purchased
by *dow
jones* and absorbed.
*nate
thayer* has more experience on the ground inside cambodia than
any other foreigner.
he is also the son of an american diplomat.
today, *nate thayer* is based in washington d.c. where he is
writing a nonfiction book about the khmer rouge, pol pot, and
his experiences in reporting on them.
he has also expanded his coverage to include news about north
korea.
please ask him to direct you to the links that display excerpts
from his current nonfiction book titled *sympathy for the devil*
-- because it will give you an immediate understanding of
cambodia and the ways that cambodians respond to foreigners,
cambodians' perceptions, and some of the cambodian names
involved, who you will now be dealing with, because they are at
the top of cambodia's government today.
***
meanwhile, i will include all of you in my updates.
but i will *never* include any email from *you* or *tammy* or *nate
thayer,* without *first* getting *detailed confirmation* from *nate
thayer* about what i should or should not do with that
information.
i mention all this now, just so all of you are clear on my need
to *back away from the vehicle,* and allow you and your new team
to function efficiently and privately.
bests from *bangkok* ~
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Thayer: "I have formally been appointed the
adviser and spokesman for Tammy Madden...We have an extensive and very
sophisticated team of investigators."
If Richard Ehrlich's above e-mail attempting to
undermine my credibility in Tammy's perception annoyed me, the below e-mail
from Nate Thayer forwarded to me the next day by Canada's Foreign Affairs
Department angered me. It had been sent earlier that Monday
without my knowledge and advice and in it Thayer as "adviser and
spokesman for Tammy Madon" berated Vice-Consul Catmur and an Ottawa desk-bureaucrat
Jean-Francois Parizeau for not immediately jumping to respond to his earlier e-mail or telephone
calls of the morning. Thayer had not even the courtesy to 'cc:' me
on it. There were no "we" in the e-mail, it was all "I".
His tone was unnecessarily
adversarial with Foreign Affairs before we even knew their position.
The wise thing to have done was to first hear what Foreign Affairs had
to say, listen, think, and then decide together whether to attack or sweet talk
Foreign Affairs depending upon
what they said. But now Thayer had shot his mouth off and defined a
battleground where perhaps no battle needed to be fought.
I was also troubled to hear that next day, again Thayer's claim that "we
had an extensive and very sophisticated team of investigators who have
been and are working on the ground in Cambodia..." This was
still news
to me because as far as I could see we were solely depending on what Sonny was
feeding us and on a couple of e-mails from the anonymous blogger
LTO
http://ltocambodia.blogspot.ca/ who had gained unauthorized access
to Dave's hotel room and searched it, perhaps contaminating the
evidence. And we had hardly made
anything near "significant progress" as Thayer falsely claimed.
If there was any progress, I had not been briefed on it. I
didn't like this deceptive approach Thayer was taking with Foreign
Affairs.
From: Nate Thayer [mailto:
xxxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
Sent: February 24, 2014 12:24 PM
To: Parizeau, Jean-François -CNO; Catmur, Allison -BNGKK -AG
Subject: Nate Thayer Dave Walker
Dear Jean-Francois and Allison,
I left a voice mail and sent you both an email and no response
so far. It is urgent I hear back from you.
As you know I have formally been appointed the adviser and
spokesman for Tammy Madden, Dave Walker's legal next of kin who
has power of attorney over his affairs.
We need to be kept constantly abreast of all developments
regarding Dave's case by Ottawa and embassy BNK and their
representatives.
We have, as I have said, an extensive amount of crucial details
that our own investigations have accumulated. We need to share
some of this with you as you need to share your information with
Dave's family.
We have an extensive and very sophisticated team of
investigators who have been and are working hard on the ground
in Cambodia. They have made considerable progress--far more than
Canada has been able to obtain to date.
We need to know exactly what the decision of the task force
meeting held at embassy bnk Monday to decide who Canada plans to
proceed has been. We need specifics.
We want to be cooperative. There is no reason not to be. But if
we do not hear back from you it can only be construed as being
dismissed by Canada and we will, without question, make our
findings and developments ascertained to date very public to
both our extensive media network in Canada and globally, as well
as to the Canadian parliament.
Let us start off on the right foot.
I am at this email thayernate0007@gmail.com at (in DC) at 443205
9162 and on skype at thayernate
Please acknowledge receipt of this message.
warm regards,
Nate Thayer
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The below response from Foreign Affairs to Nate Thayer's
moronic e-mail was swift and decisive. At their request, Tammy Madon fired Thayer as spokesman that same afternoon, but had not told
him or me yet. I had no idea
this was happening as I was giving lectures all afternoon on Monday
(although Thayer would accuse me of being behind it.) When
this e-mail arrived from Foreign Affairs in response to Thayer's letter,
informing him he was no longer a spokesperson, it
must have gone off like a bomb inside his fragile ego.
From:
Jean-Francois.Parizeau@international.gc.ca
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 6:10 PM
To: Nate Thayer
Cc:Peter Vronsky; Tammy Madon
Subject: RE: Nate Thayer Dave Walker
Hello Mr. Thayer,
The Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development (DFATD)
is taking the case of Mr. Walker very seriously. As you know,
since learning of his disappearance, Canadian consular officials
have been in touch with his family and have raised concerns
about his case with local authorities...
...The Embassy will share any developments in the
situation with me and I will share them with the family’s
representative. The family’s representative will be responsible
for sharing the updates with others. All questions or requests
for information should also be channelled through the family’s
representative to DFATD, who in turn will share them with me. I
will share them with the Embassy when their input into the
answer is required. Tammy indicated to me this afternoon that
Peter Vronsky will be the family’s representative and will act
as DFATD’s point of contact. I have copied both Tammy and Peter
on this email.
I hope that this information is useful.
Kind regards,
Jean-François Parizeau
Agent de gestion des cas consulaires | Consular Case Managenent
Officer
Direction de la gestion des cas | Case Management Division
Téléphone | Telephone 613-944-3307
Télécopieur | Facsimile 613-996-5358
Lester B. Pearson Tower, # B3-113
125 Sussex Drive, Ottawa, ON, K1A 0G2
Affaires étrangères, Commerce et Développement Canada | Foreign
Affairs, Trade and Development Canada
Gouvernement du Canada | Government of Canada
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Thayer would accuse me of having a part in his
removal, but I had no idea until the e-mail arrived shortly after 6:00
P.M. I had been lecturing all afternoon and the few messages on
Facebook I sent that day to Tammy I had received no response to until
the above e-mail came in.
Facebook
Messages
Peter Vronsky Monday, February 24, 2014 at 3:23pm EST
Tammy, just out of lecture. Nobody called me. Nobody e-mailed. I
am at my office currently at the university starting to call
Ottawa to see whats up
Peter Vronsky Monday, February 24,
2014 at 5:13pm EST
Nate reports the same. Not even an acknowledgment of the reply
to your e-mail appointing us spokespeople. It's now past 5 and
Parizeau did not return any of my calls between 3 and 5.
Tomorrow I am off all day, so will start blitzing Parizeau on
what is being done and what had been decided in Bangkok.
Tammy
Wallbridge-MadonMonday, February 24, 2014 at 7:04pm EST
Apparently I can use only one spokesman So I chose you.
But I would like you and Nate to coordinate ideas and then you
can report or request.
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Earlier, while finishing my
lecture that afternoon, I met with a colleague, a former border services intelligence officer, a specialist in the
Cambodia-Laos-Thailand region who was very familiar with the training and current state of the Cambodian
Police and Military and had excellent contacts in that region.
I had
still not heard from Tammy that day, but that was not unusual. She
was at work. Immediately afterwards I returned to my
office at the university and was drafting the below report on the
meeting to Tammy and Nate when the e-mail came in
informing me that Thayer had been removed as spokesperson. I finished
my below report and sent it out as I waited to hear from Tammy as to
what is going on. I cc'd
Nate on it on the assumption that nothing has changed in his diligence
and commitment to finding out what happened to Dave, even though
he would no longer be functioning as the official spokesman for Foreign
Affairs. I assumed that we would be retaining
Thayer as an advisor and that we would all soldier forward together in
finding Dave.
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 6:58 PM
To: Peter Vronsky ; Tammy Madon
Cc: 'Nate Thayer'
Subject: Second Opinion
Hi Tammy and Nate
[Just saw the e-mail response to Nate’s inquiry – not good... ]
I just finished meeting with my colleague here at
xxxxxxxxxxx, a former xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
intelligence officer and now xxxxxxxxxxxx South East Asia
international relations, familiar with the Bangkok Embassy. I
introduced him to Dave a few years ago, so he knows Dave.
His take is not very optimistic. In fact he makes Nate sound
like a shining optimist.
He believes that even if Canada made a request to Cambodia to
waive jurisdiction, the Cambodians would never consent or would
take years before they would consent. He describes the Siem Reap
police as the most corrupt. Nor can he imagine any kind of
pressure that could be put by Canada on Cambodia to waive
jurisdiction. He concurs everything Nate has been saying – that
if left in Cambodian hands, there will never be an
investigation.
He describes it as the “worst place” for something like this to
happen.
He is familiar with the Bangkok Embassy, and its bad reputation
as a “soft” posting that has no understanding or interest in
Cambodia next door (or Laos). The RCMP officers there he says
are desk officers at the end of their careers who get rewarded
with this kind of posting pre-retirement. They have been there
28 years training Thai police and collecting intelligence, but
are not field investigators – and especially are not suited to
be thrown next door into Cambodia. Nor is their function to
track down missing Canadians. (In any regards, most
investigations work not through the skills of an investigator,
but through the array of informants the investigator had
developed over the duration of his career. What Canadian cop is
going to have these informants in Siem Reap? Unless they are
working in parallel with an investigative journalist. Someone
like Nate has a better chance of finding out what happened with
Dave then a Canadian police investigator. I stress “finding out
what happened” as opposed to “finding Dave.”
My colleague feels that if Dave vanished as a result of foul
play, then it is likely the Cambodian police in Siem Reap not
only know everything about it, but likely are part of it. And
the Embassy knows this.
He has done a number of things for Foreign Affairs as a
consultant on South E Asia, particularly in intelligence
matters. He is reaching out to his contacts in the South East
Asia department and his intelligence contacts to see what he can
find out – although he is very pessimistic.
Nate, it might be helpful if you can talk with your contacts in
Cambodia on this “lead” we had on Salao Mao. Close it out for
us. Was this all bullshit or reality? What happened? Why did it
suddenly go black? Why was I asked to take his casual pictures
down? What has Sonny reported in the last 48 hours? Where is
this Salao Mao. If he runs, he may run back to Canada...
It seems that he had dinner with Dave on Feb 12 with two other
people. Has any one of Dave’s friends found him or interviewed
him about what was talked about? On the Canadian end, I tracked
him to the family that lived in Dave’s house in Canada – and his
daughter let it slip on Facebook that he was on his cell with
Dave in Cambodia just before he vanished. She says he was in
Phnom Penh but we have information he was having dinner with
Dave on Feb 12 in Siem Reap. Has this been confirmed.
If we can collect enough probable cause to investigate this
individual, as a Canadian citizen with apparently a presence in
Canada, perhaps here the police can sniff out a lead to what
happened to Dave over there. No jurisdictional problem. RCMP can
at least start an investigation here if we have sufficient
reliable information for them to start with.
We can call the RCMP here in Toronto and report that we believe
a Cambodian-Canadian resident in Keswick, Canada might might be
behind the kidnapping and possible murder of a Canadian in
Cambodia. That there might be some property shenanigans they can
trace on paper here with the house Dave owned once in Keswick...
??? Maybe something was kinky there? Even back then, I thought
it is a little weird Dave buying a house an hour out of Toronto
in some isolated sub-division. What that hell was with that?
Regards,
Peter Vronsky
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The rapidity with which things would suddenly go
crazy would leave me breathless and sleepless.
Thayer: "[I] have already halted all
activities on behalf of Dave that I was previously and am currently
involved in."
Apart from being busily employed fulltime in a mid-management
position in a bank, Tammy Madon was not really good with e-mails, sometimes
unable to follow the multiple duplicate threads that spawned into
different directions. I had difficulties following all the threads
myself.
Tammy's main form of communications at the time was her Facebook
messaging system. Tammy was busy
at work and was unable to respond to Thayer's e-mails in a timely enough
manner to satisfy Mr. Thayer.
Now Nate Thayer did something that I considered no
person claiming to be a friend of Dave's would have ever done, let alone
any credible reputable investigator. Informed that he was no
longer "spokesperson" he
turned on Tammy and began intimidating her,
a victim's family member, by threatening that he had "halted all activities on behalf of
Dave" and is "obligated" to tell people who he had recruited on
Dave's behalf
"to stand down now as they agreed to these efforts based on our personal
and professional relationships."
Although I did not say it yet, my
first reaction to readings Nate Thayer's below e-mail to Tammy was, "YOU COCKSUCKER!"
From: Nate Thayer
Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:27 PM
Subject: Nate Thayer Standing Down as Dave's represntative
To: Tammy Madon <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx>
Hi Tammy, I have been informed by Ottawa's Jean-Francois
Paizeau that you have told him that you have removed me from
what you yesterday had requested of me that I serve as a
representative for your family in dealings with Ottawa.
I can only assume from your lack of response
to my many messages to you that that is true. I
will assume it is correct until I hear otherwise from you and
have already halted all activities on behalf of Dave that I was
previously and am currently involved in that emanated
since you asked me to assume that role.
I will send a message to those many people of
the general email thread that Richard Erlich informed via your
communication with him that that authority has been rescinded by
you and that they should contact Peter Wronsky or yourself for
clarification. Frankly, this puts me in a very awkward position
as I initiated a number of endeavors and contacts staying up all
night last night to put them in place. But
I am obligated to tell them to stand down now, as they
agreed to these efforts based on our personal and professional
relationships. If there has been some kind of communication
misunderstanding, I need to know promptly.
Best, Nate
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"[Spokesperson] means the guy who the
government lies to... Not the guy who the government listens
to..."
It
wasn't just about Dave. I also felt a protective sense of outrage for Tammy Madon,
the target of his threat. I regarded Tammy as sincere but out-of-her-depth in
something like a mysterious disappearance of a family member in a place like
Cambodia. I am not even sure if Tammy had ever been out of Canada
without Disney Cruises being involved. Shit, I had gone to work deep
undercover in Chechnya buying nuclear weapons material at one time, but with Cambodia, even I
felt out of my depth! Who wouldn't be? I
imagined how vulnerable and helpless Tammy must have been feeling trying
to make the best decisions possible for Dave, not knowing whether he
was still alive or dead.
Moreover, by some weird coincidence, even though Tammy Madon was younger
than me, she strangely resembled my recently deceased ninety-five year
old grandmother.
She had the same petit tight-mouthed thin-lipped thin
pencil eyebrowed flinty big bug-eyed glasses framed features that my
granny had. She was my 'babushka' without the
wrinkles and it was hard for me to disassociate Tammy from
my own grandmother. In a way, Dave over our twenty-five year friendship
became a brother that I never had, and by extension, I almost felt a
familial connection to Tammy.
When I read Thayer's email in which he told Tammy he
is withdrawing his resources and telling people to stand down from
looking for Dave, in a superhuman act I held my temper and called
Thayer on the phone, explaining to him in as calm a voice as I could muster that Tammy tended to confine
herself mostly to Facebook Messenger and maybe she had missed Thayer's
e-mails and not to take offence and that Tammy's decision was not a sign
of no confidence in him. I truthfully at the time told him that
both I and Tammy have full confidence in him and wanted him to stay on
and work with him.
Thayer replied that Tammy had undermined his "authority" and that he had no
choice but to withdraw from the investigation. I pleaded with
Thayer to think of Dave first, and not pull back the resources and
people he had mobilized to look for Dave. Thayer coldly replied
that he was
"too busy" to talk further to me and ended the conversation.
I followed up the call with this below e-mail and waited politely for
him to call me back when he was less busy.
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:07 PM
To: Nate Thayer ; Tammy Madon
Subject: Re: Fwd: Nate Thayer Standing Down as Dave's
represntative
Nate this is not correct. Foreign Affairs
only wants one spokesmen to filter the “privacy” issues. Tammy
wants you to continue to act as advisor with me, and I concur.
“Spokesmen” is just who the government is going to release
“private” information to without having to ask Tammy every
time. It is meaningless, they are not going to be “telling” us
anything.
Let’s not worry about this. Lets worry about
finding Dave and how we can lobby Foreign Affairs and what can
we do in the field.
Tammy is mostly on Facebook messaging, less
in her e-mails, so she might be slow responding on the e-mail.
They just told her today, pick one to be the spokesmen.
I’ll be the “spokesmen” for the Foreign
Affairs Department – for any bullshit they send our way. I’ll
just pass it on, the same way Tammy has been passing it on. We
are going to only find out from them as much as Tammy has been
finding out. Nothing.
Also, “spokesman” and spokesman are two
different things. You are probably going to be the spokeman in
the US and International media, while I will be the spokesman
here in Canada. The only difference is I am in the eyes of the
Foreign Affairs department “spokesmen” for info they are
releasing. Not “speaking for the family” if you appreciate the
nuance.
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Thayer did not call back. After waiting a
decent amount of time, I called Thayer
again, this time he hung up on me rudely, without speaking.
I had no idea just how toxic Nate Thayer was going to
be. I was in ignorant bliss assuming that I was working with merely a
"temperamentally arrogant" genius talent who had
earned the right to be arrogant. His finding Pol Pot still impressed me.
I worked in the past with 'super-stars.' Some were humble while others
were not, some were nice some were not, but all of them had achievements
under their belts and were very brilliant at what they did. There
was no way for me to see him for what he really was until later when
I came to understood just how
hollow and false Nate Thayer really is.
I thought at the time that I was going to be working with him, or at
least "around" him if I had to, no matter what. In fact, that is
what Tammy Madon was hoping too.
In desperation I turned to Richard Ehrlich
and asked him to calm Thayer down, talk some sense into him or mediate a dialogue between us.
If Thayer had told what I believed might be his "team of investigators"
to stand down, I needed as quickly as possible to get them back on the
job. (If only that team existed.) From
Ehrlich's e-mails the night before, I knew Ehrlich thought Thayer was a
god, but Thayer's e-mail threatening Tammy was just so wrong
in my own perception, that I could not
conceive or fathom Ehrlich not seeing the same wrong that I saw. I turned to our
dispatcher "dispatcher" for discreet help in soothing Thayer's
apparently bruised ego and getting on with the task at hand, finding
Dave.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:23 PM
To: Richard Ehrlich rituals in pagodas
Subject: Ego Bullshit
Richard talk to your friend Nate, because he is doing an ego
trip on Tammy
here.
Government wants only one spokesman, and Tammy asked it to be
me, but she
wants me to concert with Nate and her as we have been. And so do
I.
It is "spokesman" not spokesman. All it means is that the
government
recognizes me as the person they can release their bullshit to
without
asking Tammy every time.
There is no "authority" . Nate is whining how he has no
authority now.
Nobody has "authority" This is about finding Dave, not some ego
shit. If
he does this, I will fucking rip his head off and publically
expose him for
putting his ego before Dave. This is what I just sent him.
Please sort him
out.
Spokemen means the guy who the
government lies to... Not the guy who the
government listens to...
Peter Vronsky
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"I am going to make this public in two hours
if this cocksucker does not adjust his priorities."
When Thayer hung-up on me again, after the third time
I tried to call him that evening, I
lost it. It may not be a good excuse for what I did next, but for
a week I
had been sleeping maybe two or three hours a day, as I worked
through a 9 A.M. to 5 P.M. Toronto and Ottawa time zone and then
proceeded to work Cambodia time twelve hours ahead from 10:00 PM to
about 6:00 A.M. from my own zone. Plus my lecture load at work.
Plus grading students, plus deadlines to meet on several book deals I
was juggling. I was getting punchy by Monday night,
and wanted to go home, and now Thayer was acting up like a high strung
ballerina, I thought. (If only that was all it was...)
In a follow-up e-mail to Ehrlich, I called Thayer a
"cocksucker" and threatened to make public his disgusting threats to Tammy to abandon Dave. "Cocksucker" was not a comment on his sexual preference, which
I have no idea of, but just a generic expletive describing what he
was; a cocksucker!
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Richard Ehrlich rituals in pagodas
Subject: Re: Ego Bullshit
THIS IS FROM NATE's EMAIL
"I initiated a number of endeavors
and contacts staying up all night last night to put them
in place. But I am obligated to tell them to stand down
now, as they agreed to these efforts based on our
personal and professional relationships."
This is how much he cares about Dave. He is going to
tell people to "stand down". I am going to make this
public in two hours if this cocksucker does
not adjust his priorities.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:50 AM,
"Peter Vronsky" wrote:
I am calling him one more time, hopefully he is going to
calm down. We all have egos. I can understand. But if he
hangs up on me again, I am going to go Pol Pot all over
him.
|
|
When Thayer hung up the phone yet again, I went berserk.
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:33 PM
To: Richard Ehrlich; rituals in pagodas ; thayer ~ ; tammy ~
Subject: Re: Ego Bullshit
I will write it off to exhaustion, lack of sleep, and stress,
but unless Nate Thayer apologizes within sixty minutes in
writing to Tammy and starts thinking about Dave, his e-mail to
Tammy is going public on Twitter, Facebook, my webpages, and cc
to everybody, showing his ego for what it is and how he is
threatening Dave’s family.
This is Nate Thayer speaking to Dave Walker’s family. His words:
"I initiated a number of endeavors and contacts staying up all
night last
night to put them in place. But I am obligated to tell them to
stand down
now, as they agreed to these efforts based on our personal and
professional
relationships."
Sixty minutes. It’s now 11:33 PM EST
This is about Nate threatening Dave’s family at their most
venerable that he will “stand down” the resources he mobilized
to look for Dave because the Canadian Government only wants one
“spokesman” to receive the bullshit they are putting out. It has
nothing to do with “authority.” I had written him urgently
explaining we need and want him, that he will probably be the
international media and USA spokesman – for real – not “Canadian
government spokesman to receive bullshit”. The family spokesmen
to the media and advisors are who Tammy says they are, not who
the Canadian gov recognizes as the vessel into which they dump
bullshit.
Moreover, I explained to Nate that Tammy is Tammy. She mostly
picks up messages via Facebook, so she takes a long time in
between looking at e-mail. She is doing her best keeping it
together.
Regards,
Peter
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Tammy had finally weighed in a few minutes later, writing to us all.
For the sake of peace and Dave, I responded to Tammy's below e-mail and made
the first gesture of reconciliation and apologized to Nate Thayer for losing my temper.
From: Tammy Madon
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:48 PM
To: 'Peter Vronsky' ; Ehrlich ; 'thayer ~'
Subject: RE: Ego Bullshit
Good evening,
I just spoke to Nate on the phone.
Peter, I have not had a chance to call you back.
The Canadian Embassy informed me today that I can only have one
spokesperson.
I did not have time to let either of you know prior to Jean
Francois advising you both.
We do not need or want this drama. The focus is looking for
Dave. No one is getting any where here.
I need all of you to put all the arguing away for now and put
all our efforts in finding Dave.
It was not anyone’s or my intension to say anyone was better
than the other.
I was put into a situation where I had to choose a spokesperson
as per Ottawa. All that meant was someone to ask and receive
questions.
Please all of you put all your efforts into the case rather than
this email.
Thank you
Tammy Madon
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:06 AM
To: Tammy Madon ; Richard Ehrlich ; 'thayer ~'
Subject: Re: Ego Bullshit
Agreed. Let’s all take a breath. Get some sleep as Nate
suggests. And lets all chill out and think on what we need to do
next to find Dave.
Nate, I apologize for going off on you. I have the utmost
confidence in you – and so does Tammy. And I more so since I got
that second opinion from xxxxxxxxxxxx
today, as I said in my e-mail, he makes you look like an
optimist.
We have a tough fight ahead.
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At midnight I was still trying to sooth Thayer's ego. I knew
"spokesman" was a bullshit thing. All it meant was I'd be privy to
what Foreign Affairs was stating to the family and could decide whether
to make it public. There was no other "authority" that came with
it. I followed up on what I thought we need to be working toward next
together.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:00 AM,
Peter Vronsky wrote:
Nate:
I don’t think we had any authority to interact with the
government. The only thing we got was the government having
authority to tell us what they would tell Tammy without asking
her and telling the media that they can ask us. What fucked up
was that they only want one person to whom to send the media.
They told Tammy pick one. It made sense since I am close here to
field local media that it would be me, a Canadian on top of
that. The only thing it gives us is a slightly closer touch on
their pulse and nothing else.
I suspect everybody misunderstood what was being proposed.
Surely they are not going to tell Tammy’s lawyer, to go see me
for information. Or her advisor. So perhaps we need to get you
some kind of authority that comes from Tammy’s family, not from
the government. Please just keep working with us as we planned
and speak with Tammy as specifically getting you some kind of
authority to mediate with the government on behalf of Dave.
Something like family “counsel” or something. I don’t thing that
authority comes with being “Spokesman”
Everything I heard today from my colleague confirms what you
have been saying to me. We need you to be working with Tammy and
me on the highest level.
Peter
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Thayer responded:
From: Nate Thayer
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:10 AM
To: Peter Vronsky ; rituals in pagodas
Subject: Re: Nate Thayer Standing Down as Dave's represntative
Peter:
I am afraid your last messages indicate you need to get some
sleep. I would strongly suggest you do so before you discredit
and interfere in the investigation, drag Tammy into unwanted and
undeserved and untrue drama, and slander me
If you want to talk tomorrow, we can. You are in no shape to
engaging in a rational conversation at the moment.
This has remember, nothing to do with you, me, less with
Tammy, and nothing with Dave. If you continue you are directly
threatening the [ability] to resolve Dave's status
sleep well
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Okay. This guy is one piece of work I thought,
but I am going to get some sleep and leave this now. It seemed to me
that at least Thayer was back on board after reading Tammy's e-mail and
the storm was over. That was the important thing. I would be
arguing for several weeks more to come, "Thayer is crazy but he might be just crazy enough to find
Dave..." Nobody wanted to lose him at that moment.
"now, sleepy time for you vronsky, and all will be well
after you click your heels 3 times"
Then I saw something from Richard Ehrlich in my
inbox. It was bizarre and almost taunting in some strangely
incoherent way. Instead of "I", Ehrlich kept writing "eye".
It was disjointed and intemperate, I had never quite seen anything like it from
Ehrlich before. It was like the yapping of lap dog at my heels. The
whining of a hyena cur.
From:
RIchard Ehrlich rituals in pagodas
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:01 AM
To: vronsky ~ ; thayer nate ~ ; tammy ~ ; glossograph ~
Subject: *tammy* ????? vronsky ~ *Tammy is going public
on Twitter, Facebook, my webpages, and cc to everybody*
greetings vronsky,
please look at your fantasy:
*...Tammy is going public on Twitter, Facebook, my
webpages, and cc to
everybody...*
yes, eye know your full sentence included:
*apologizes within sixty minutes in writing to Tammy and
starts
thinking about Dave, his e-mail to Tammy is going
public...*
but ultimately, *tammy* will *also* be in *public* on
*Twitter,
Facebook, my webpages, and cc to everybody*.
you of course do not want *tammy* and *a tammy-linked
vronsky & a
tammy-previously-linked-but-now-resigned-thayer* to be
on front pages
everywhere.
at the very least, *tammy* herself does not want this,
and i am sure
if you *read* this email to her (yes this email that you
are now
reading), she will politely decline your invitation to
have *any* of
this *public*.
eye suggest you *read* it to *tammy* now on the phone
because she may
not be reading her email, and may miss this exciting
development in
this drama.
and that is what it is.
meanwhile, on the ground in cambodia, there are some
news developments
which will be announced in *six hours*.
no, dave is not found.
no, there is no *breakthrough* in the investigation.
but there is a very powerful piece of *news* -- whatever
that is worth
-- going worldwide in six hours.
for you to have *...Tammy is going public on Twitter,
Facebook, my
webpages, and cc to everybody...* be the story, instead
of the news
from cambodia -- datelined phnom penh -- would be a
*disaster* akin to
the sinking of the titanic.
eye mention the titanic because both thayer and i have
direct family
ties to that sinking, but you can fill in the blank with
any other
disaster you can think of.
ok, not the holocaust, even though you are a teacher of
the *third reich*.
uh, lets see, something like headlines worldwide
*miley cyrus's tongue
lashes out against tammy and thayer in a
tell-all expose on page 3*
so please, howl as you like.
read allen ginsberg's *howl* as loud as you can.
but no, not from the *rooftop of your head* to a world's
media that
will not take kindly, and will *not* be on your side in
any of what
you say.
they will simply hoist your entire
*...Tammy is going public on Twitter, Facebook, my
webpages, and cc to
everybody...*
statement that you are about to release, and they will
hoist it on
sharpened bamboo staves, and you, oh vronsky! -- aka
voice of the
*tongueless and the *marat/sade*
drama -- will be the only real target
of *all* your own sharpened bamboo staves.
it would be beyond *shooting the messenger*.
it would be *zap the insider who revealed all because of
(and they
will fill in the blanks with words you -- nor tammy
herself -- will
not want attached to your names forever).
as they might say on the slogans:
*don't do it for you / because you don't want to do this
to tammy*
now, sleepy time for you vronsky, and all will be well
after you click
your heels 3 times.
bests ~
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I
was still feeling happy and relieved in the belief that while I had not exactly soothed
my suddenly disintegrating
relationship with Thayer, that at least he was willing to continue
helping us to find Dave. If I had been one of those explosive angry
personalities, Ehrlich's ill timed e-mail could have set me off again.
But assuming that Ehrlich had not known that Tammy had settled both Thayer
and myself down, I actually thought Ehrlich message was funny in its
stupidly bad
timing, a 'comedy of errors.' By now Ehrlich was more and more taking on the character of a
clown or buffoon. I even tried to make a feeble joke about Ehrlich's
ill-timing in sending that e-mail, and responded in what I thought was a conciliatory
joke
from me to his message.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:28 AM,
Peter Vronsky wrote to Richard Ehrlich:
Just when we settled everything, you now send me THIS!!!
NOW I AM REALLY PISSED OFF.
Just kidding. It's all chill -- everybody has calmed
down and Tammy has spoken with Nate.
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Apparently not, as now Thayer showed the inexplicable need to
keep going, triggering this next exchange.
From: Nate Thayer
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:44 AM
To: Peter Vronsky
Subject: Re: *tammy* ????? vronsky ~ *Tammy is going public on
Twitter, Facebook, my webpages, and cc to everybody*
Peter: It is important to remember that this has nothing to do
with you, except you are making a sideshow of it. Just let it go,
as I have your "ego" and "cocksucker" remarks.
Go to bed.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:28 AM,
Peter Vronsky wrote to Richard Ehrlich:
Just when we settled everything, you now send me THIS!!! NOW I
AM REALLY PISSED OFF.
Just kidding. It's all chill -- everybody has calmed down and
Tammy has spoken with Nate.
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:17 AM
To: Nate Thayer Subject: Re: *tammy* ????? vronsky ~ *Tammy is
going public on Twitter, Facebook, my webpages, and cc to
everybody*
Just when I thought we kissed and made up,
and made nice, you had send me this.
I will take calling you a cocksucker on the
record in public standing on my head any time, to you telling
Dave’s family:
"I initiated a number of endeavors and
contacts staying up all night last
night to put them in place. But I am obligated to tell them to
stand down
now, as they agreed to these efforts based on our personal and
professional
relationships."
You go to bed.
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I also was disappointed in Ehrlich, who instead of
calming and mediating things between the Nate and myself, actually
provoked Thayer further by forwarding him my ill-tempered rant in which
I had ungraciously called him a "cocksucker." I was
appalled that Ehrlich did not see just how inappropriate and unethical
Thayer's threat had been; especially from somebody claiming to be
a personal friend of Dave's. I would never abandon the
investigation into Dave disappearance. I am still on it now as I
write this in March of 2015 a year later. I'd like to know what
Thayer is doing in the cause of justice for Dave. Or Ehrlich (other than threatening to sue me for
writing this.)
From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2014
To: Richard Ehrlich ; rituals in pagodas ; thayer ~ ; tammy ~
Subject: Re: Ego Bullshit
Nor does it help Richard you cc-ing Nate my ranting on him as
“whining” and calling him a “cocksucker”. I have been up all
last night and lecturing all day today and then taking meetings,
so I am as wired up as Nate. But I cannot imagine threatening to
quit or pull the plug on a search for Dave. We all have tempers
and egos.
I asked you to talk to Nate as his friend and help sort out his
priorities for the sake of Dave. Not make it harder for him by
sending him my loss of temper.
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This website has now exhausted describing the first
week of what was going to be a two and half month investigation. This page has described how my first twenty-four hours
of dealing directly
with Nate Thayer was like and what our "investigation" into Dave
Walker's disappearance was becoming by the beginning of its second
week--we were all becoming screaming drama queens.
Things were now going to only get worse and it explains why
reportedly it will be Cambodian children who will find Dave's body at Angkor Thom
in May two months later, and not us.
So much of what would happen now would happen
in the shadow of Nate Thayer's ego and everything he did to ensure he had an
exclusive monopoly on Dave's disappearance and break the "scoop"
himself,
even as we'll see, if it meant withholding evidence from the Edmonton Police which was
about to become the Canadian "agency of record" for the
investigation into the disappearance of Dave Walker.
COMING NEXT: WEEK TWO -
INSIDE THE
INVESTIGATION PART 8 - Enter Edmonton Police
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